Do AdGuard Users Want Additional Privacy Protection Tools

Discussion in 'Discussion (AdGuard for Windows)' started by Gass, Nov 19, 2016.

  1. Gass

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    As we're all being a part of ADGUARD - it's been suggested (to me) in asking you to have your say as Adguard Users in what exactly of additional Privacy Protecting Tools do you see a need/want for of yourself, browsers and systems in the online protections which that ADGUARD should provide.

    This can cover already existing Adguard features which don't go far enough with the Default Settings, and the lack of any knowledge based articles/guides in how to harden ADGUARD yourself successfully.

    To any New FEATURES in Areas that Adguard has not yet implemented in itself of privacy concerns by a user to a better system, and network privacy.
    Browser extensions such as Ghostery, NoScript, Disconnect, BetterPrivacy, HTTPS Everywhere, uBlock/uBlock Origin, ScriptSafe, uMatrix and more can provide users some vital relief from data tracking, profiling, script control and personal information being mining.
    However, at the end of the day, if there is a massive vulnerability or critical browser issue, your data will be leaked, almost regardless of your actions and/or extensions being used.

    Then it's already established that loads of extensions are being updated to include tracking / spying code, injecting ads, and who knows what else.
    These Extension too - are being sold to untrustworthy companies, or the developers are being bought with a promise of easy money profits.
    Once you have an add-on installed, there’s no way to know that they aren’t going to be including spyware down the road or sold off to someone who will for the love of money in higher profits over their users trust - in that their personal information and privacy are safely keep and not sold off.
    http://www.howtogeek.com/180175/warning-your-browser-extensions-are-spying-on-you/
    The facts that some browsers do allow you to control these things, even if you have to use the additional extensions because they don't support these in themselves but, some of such extensions have been mining users data and then selling it - so how can they be a failsafe to privacy.

    Adguard as an install program covering a majority of browsers, I do believe would have better control and privacy protections for their users here, and form a strong foundation of trust to a failsafe mode better then that of up to half a dozen or more extensions that would indeed spread thin that of a users trust.
    So lets hear from all of you users and of the Adguard Beta testers as you are in the cutting edge of understanding how Adguard could best proceed here.

    Some areas ADGUARD could include in it's protections or make better:

    Personal data leaks/mining.... (STOP)
    Network MAC address............ (CHANGING)
    Mouse tracking....................... (PREVENTION)
    Mass tracking across sites....... (STOP)
    JavaScript............................... (WEBSITE CONTROL)
    Browser cache......................... (CLEANING) Or Virtual cache area.... (STROAGE & DELETION)
    Browser/System fingerprint.... (PROTECTION)
    Camera & Mic.......................... (GUARDING)
    False system information........ (SUBMITION)

    Additional Info:
    Browser tracking - How does tracking work? What data is being collected, and who is collecting it? https://myshadow.org/browser-tracking
    Browser Mirror - See what your browser reveals - CentralOps.net www.centralops.net/asp/co/browsermirror.vbs.asp
    Personal data was stolen out from under them. So how do you figure this out for yourself? It’s called Fiddler. http://www.telerik.com/fiddler
    [Fiddler is a web debugging tool that acts as a proxy and caches all the requests so you can see what is going on.]
    What every Browser knows about you http://webkay.robinlinus.com/
    Privacy Test https://www.maxa-tools.com/cookie-privacy.php?r=mcm
    Thanks,
    Gass :D

    PS: A poll to all platforms/device users here - https://forum.adguard.com/index.php?threads/hidden-spy-how-naked-are-users-really.16250/
     
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  2. ag_bug_finder

    ag_bug_finder Beta Tester

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    I just want Adguard to block ads and improve in its ability to block all these new sites that open pop-ups when you click on the page.
    As someone mentioned earlier, I would like a feature to enable to specify that you don't want any pop-ups at all from a list of sites you can populate yourself.
    I just want these basic sorta things.
    I am honestly not interested in the rest, and I fear that Adguard will become bloated and slow if it was to do too much, unless of course they always keep a slim version that just does ad and pop-up blocking.
    Just my thought on the topic, but I'm sure there are others that do feel the same way I do.
     
  3. Gass

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    Hi ag_bug_finder,
    Thanks for your honest opinion here.
    Just some questions out of curiosity if you don't mind.
    These sites that opens pop-ups when you click on the page - what kind of sites do that, I haven't seen any in my surfing, wait one and only one - dictionary dot com. Not really pop-ups but the page freezes while the ads loads much later then the page itself.
    Could these sites be using javascripts in doing these pop-ups?

    Then what are your thoughts on - the lack of any knowledge based articles/guides in how to harden ADGUARD yourself successfully. Wouldn't this be helpful in yourself as beta tester in knowing something over here can affect something over there as well? Or one adjustment can affect a multiple of things. I can't wrap my head around Adguard as it's deep and outside looking in the light doesn't travel in to the far depths of it.

    Then when you said - I fear that Adguard will become bloated and slow if it was to do too much, unless of course they always keep a slim version that just does ad and pop-up blocking.

    What if some of my suggestion were added as extensions and/or be limited by ticking on-off, in that of profiles maybe where to each own self could make to/in Adguard changes to where each user could enable/disable customize profile items as they needed for their surfing the web that they would need use of then.
    Thanks,
    Gass :)
     
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  4. ag_bug_finder

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    Well, it seems a lot of torrent, porn and streaming sites are doing that sort of thing now.
    Either that or the pop-up blocker of Adguard hasn't kept up with newer ways of blocking the pop-ups automatically...
     
  5. Gass

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    On the dictionary site in inspect element I was seeing proxy listed then sometimes - question if ads/pop-ups were rendered on a page by proxy Adguard wouldn't know what site to block the ads coming from unless it did something like a re-polling of a site frequently.
    Right? and does Adguard do this?
    I ask cause in my case the ads were loaded on after the full page loaded up by 30-45 seconds.

    PS: would Fiddler help you understand how the sites you mentioned are working or loading pop-ups?
    http://www.telerik.com/fiddler
    [Fiddler is a web debugging tool that acts as a proxy and caches all the requests so you can see what is going on.]

    :) Gass
     
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    They often change popup code, so we should change filters accordingly.

    And you're right, we should improve the "generic approach" to popup blocking as well.

    Also they've found a way to circumvent $popup rules, and currently we're looking for a better way of blocking popup ads.
     
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  7. Gass

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    Hello,

    With V6 Adguard it has stared in this direction of more user privacy and as I seek of more to come in greater protections, as the online world just keeps pressing in and intruding in our lives, then the keeping of our records and used in making profits from these facts of the things gained from our use of it.
    I wished Adguard could be a mirror as such in reflecting a poor image - if it can't block that image from forming in the first place.
    Please more projects in P-R-I-V-A-C-Y
    Thank You :D Adguard,
    Gass
     
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  8. Gass

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    I'm hoping this topic to grow - so anything an Adguard user / forum member would like Adguard to include as to a feature
    (tool) to be worked in to it Speak UP ! - and let the community and the Adguard Team know...

    @2017 is coming up fast and who know how much the on-line world will change then, and prevent now is far better than
    a catch-up later policy. See the PS: a poll (link) in the OP here and vote..

    Read these too-
    https://forum.adguard.com/index.php?threads/hidden-spy-how-naked-are-users-really.16250/

    https://forum.adguard.com/index.php?threads/digital-privacy-have-you-considered-yours.14570/

    Thanks,
    Gass
     
  9. vasily_bagirov

    vasily_bagirov Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    We sure concider privacy as one of our top priorities when we think about the evolution of Adguard. It is not a sole goal, but definitely one of the most important. It is always good to know, though, what exactly users want and what we should concentrate on.
     
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  10. Gass

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    Maybe Adguard Team could have a look at TrackOFF https://www.trackoff.com/en
    There's a bit of a discussion about TrackOFF here https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/trackoff-privacy-software-ne1-tried-this.388532/

    Parts of TrackOFF I'd personally like to see in Adguard Stealth Mode "scramble the data points"
    ADGUARD GETS A SMALL MENTION ON THE PAGE THERE... :) POST #10


    Adguard don't let TrackOFF beat you in offering these as it states, "We have Web RTC and Canvas fingerprinting protection in the works."
    Emphasis on Canvas Fingerprinting protection Please...

    Just wanting the best Adguard that Adguard Team can deliver to users and this software TrackOFF gots ideals and action plan...

    PS: MR.VASILY SIR, what is this to mean (I know Google is powerful) is there some ability that Google gives to everyone to do this as his statement in post #7 begins and says "Google Alerts Snagged"
    Thanks, Gass :D
     
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    @Gass thank you for pointing this app out! We'll check it for new ideas for the stealth mode features.
     
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  12. Gass

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    @avatar Please do and we'll see if TrackOFF is nothing yet hype to saying so but not really following through.
    Adguard's track record is to deliver, not some smoke and mirrors tricks!
     
  13. Gass

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    avatar please have a look at MAXA Cookie Manager I use it righteously as my defense beyond Adguard and even before I knew of Adguard.
    Maybe Adguard could use some of it's vitals for Stealth Mode cookie treatments and more cookie management.
    1. List all of the types of cookies on your computer
    2. Decide yourself or let the program evaluate which cookies are safe and which ones are dangerous
    3. Automatically delete cookies as they appear on your computer
    4. Block entire domains so that all cookies from an entire website or ad site are blocked
    5. Create and manage both white lists and black lists - Increasing productivity by keeping the cookies that you actually need!
    6. Delete Cache and History, this efficiently allows you to also get rid of Evercookies and Etag tracking.

    http://www.maxa-tools.com/cookie.php?lang=en

    Thank you

    GASS :D
     
  14. Blaz

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    @Gass
    Some kind of $cookie modifier is planned for rules if I remember correctly.
    In stealth mode you already can block first/third-party cookies.
     
  15. vasily_bagirov

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    Hi Blaz and yes I use what Adguard offers in Stealth Mode on cookie menu items-
    i.e. Self-Destructing third-party cookies = "0"
    Self-Destructing first-party cookies = "630"
    which seems to me to be passively mild and possibly a placebo on the psychic of the user using those these settings.
    As vasily_bagirov states it's in an early state arena to a cookie modifier - which to me sounds like determining yet which way to proceed here as what kind of time does it want to invest with the whole ideal/ordeal. While the WEBs technology has been made to leaps and bounds far beyond mere cookies, cookies are really an old adage to what has readily taken place in the tracking business and to a new level era than just placing some code on your machine. Adguard maybe needs to think outside the box here and use something like white noise our web presents in making it so confusing or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand as in the obfuscation of who we are when going online. i.e. they would see A and then J never seeing the following through of the alphabet to getting from A to J of who we are really.

    I also use MCM for additional lines where Adguard isn't there yet, it just that both of these software's - I feel don't address this in a proper way (maybe one or the other does somewhat) directly or indirectly (I'm lacking to fully understand it all), but giants (like google) uses many cookies and fingerprinting. Then to block the whole domain or that of just certain cookies is at each end of the stick and there doesn't seem to be a half point considerations. Adguard has menu item of two possibly uses and MCM goes further, but at each end of the stick - I'd like to see a half point of some kind of considerations and then to maybe that is where white/black listing cookies comes in. (I just don't know enough and understand to see another path within either of these options).
    Since cookies are old age or early internet tracking methods to what is really being used now, obfuscation in some form is needed.

    Google throws many cookies out to just signing in to an email account there-
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    MCM has the ability to evaluate them but only gives option at each end of the stick (cookie or domain) to do something about them-
    [​IMG]
    Then what else is used to profile, ID, and track the user today that nobody as been effective against, (fingerprinting) is evolving into different aspects of modern web design then just by using how it talks or interacts with or browsers and computers opens up the new era of tracking that has no defense yet...
    Gass :D
     
  17. l0rdraiden

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    I can't agree more, adguard should focus on privacy since ad-blocking is something that any browser addon can do and sometimes even better.
     
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  18. Gass

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    Yes -BUT- browser add-on's spreads a users trust thin, especially when multiples are used :) - all add-on's have access to you cache and history as well - there's no denying that!

    I think since Adguard (for windows) in this case, is an installed program, it has taken out of the quotation that of users having to trust more that just it alone. Installed Adguard then as such is not merely an extension to any one browser oneself happens to be using.

    With as much as that said, and Adguard's origin as an ad blocker, which has seen there needs to be privacy as well for the user and it's development of the Stealth Mode in V. 6, needs to focus more on privacy now, as that's where all ads stem from in profiling a user in there everyday web use. Cookies are old age and there's more happing now with modern web browsers and online use in tracking, profiling, fingerprinting one system and self. I'd like to see something more done by Adguard before any one person has many terabytes of information about themselves gathered and traded.
     
  19. Gass

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    Dear Adguard Sir,
    Here is another to have a look at - https://getcocoon.com/features/privacy

    Cocoon protects your identity so your data trail leads nowhere. Now you can enjoy the Web knowing you are safe from prying eyes.
    Cocoon does something other browsers can’t do for you: We make you anonymous by storing all of your data in the cloud. It’s like a one-way mirror - you can see out but others can’t see in. With Cocoon you might see ads but don’t worry, the cookies hit our servers and never your hard drive.

    A concept Adguard could possibly do?
    Thanks, Gass :D
     
  20. vasily_bagirov

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    @Gass this approach requires quite a lot of servers to handle all the requests, store cookies etc. or at least it looks like this to me. @avatar do you have any comments?