Rules not working sometimes?

Semetery

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Hello again,

I've been having an issue with Facebook rules I've created using Assistant. I have created rules blocking both the right and left columns because I just don't need them. They work sometimes but others they won't. If I restart my computer, for example, and go to Facebook, I see both columns even though I have rules blocking them enabled. What's even more strange is that when I go into the rules and disable then re-enable them, it works as it should.

I can't make sense of that, any ideas what might be causing it? It's very frustrating. I have no other adblockers on or anything like that.

Thanks!
 

Gass

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I can't help you but if you could give some additional information maybe others can.

1. Does this happen only on Facebook site and then if for any other created user rules using AG Assistant
2. What Win OS version and do you have another installed Firewall
3. What filter subscription do you use and what Stealth Mode settings
4. What version is Adguard / current 6.1.258.1302 version is installed
what happens if you use system tray AG icon and disable and re-enable while on FB site

Might seem excessive to ask of these but maybe someone can relate who had similar configurations and witnessed same/like troubles.
Gass
 
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Could you please copypaste these rules here?

One more thing, does it happen only when you restart computer?
 

Semetery

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Sure thing!

Only seems to happen on FB, using Win 10, Emsisoft Internet Security (have disabled it, no effect), latest beta. And I do think it's only after a reboot, yes. It's literally the only site that I seem to have issues with, so bizarre!

And here are the rules. I'm not sure which ones actually work so I have 3:
facebook.com##div[id$="leftCol"]
facebook.com##div[id$="rightCol"]
facebook.com###rightCol

Thanks for the help!
 

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Hm, I wonder, could it be that by the time of opening FB, Adguard is not yet initialized?

Do you see AG Assistant icon in the right-bottom of the page when it happens?
 

Semetery

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I thought that as well but it is in the corner, yeah.

I was wrong, by the way, it isn't just when I restart. I left the computer on and today, it's not blocking the side columns. I even tried disabling AG, refreshing Facebook, re-enabling AG and then refreshing again and that doesn't work either. The only thing that does is un-checking and re-checking the rule boxes. I'm not changing anything and I've disabled all security programs that could in any way conflict.
 

Gass

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:-[ This has happened to me to - I don't use Facebook but similar returning ads on another site and although I reported it in missed ads section the team there has addressed it with a fix but, their fix was short lived as ads continue to return after a short time - week(s).

This sounds like something's I'm seeing on http://www.dictionary.com, after inputting a word and it renders a definition or correct
spelling of a suggested word and clicking on that. I see ads after all these or either instance as mentioned earlier in my final destination on the site. See "SPOILER" for image of ads.

Never seeing ads on it's landing page but after a word search. Adguard is not blocking them in this case from it's automatic means or AG Assistant being used in blocking an ad element.

[Ads change contents and layout size just from refreshing the page but their position on the page remains constant]. Sometimes not all ads positions are shown (some appear to be blocked) - meaning I'm only seeing a few ads, I don't know if this is AG and what part of it is working if it is blocking them nasty ads.

AG user filter rules exported out to a txt file:
dictionary.com##[id="owwotm_ila_qnzium_/23219321/iac.dict.dictry.dw/dic/short-serp_0_y_0"]
dictionary.com##[id="owwotm_ila_qnzium_/23219321/iac.dict.dictry.dw/dic/short-serp_0_y_1"]
dictionary.com##[id="owwotm_ila_qnzium_/23219321/iac.dict.dictry.dw/dic/short-serp_0_y/sticky_0"]
dictionary.com##[id="owwotm_ila_qnzium_/23219321/iac.dict.dictry.dw/dic/short-serp_0_y_2"]

IE 11 inspect element: (by the way this crashes IE11 sometimes and hangs at other times - not sure if it's AG causing this)-(needless to say it's hard to get info. on all shown ads in one view of related ads shown in my supplied image).
<img width="160" height="600" class="quo_il" alt="" src="http://spa.dictionary.com/proxy?p=Y3ROH6pqea9T&amp;r=6050dXV1dT9teXl1eD80NHl1aDNsdHRscWp4fnNpbmhmeW50czNodHI0eG5ybGZpNDw3Ojg5Nzw9Nzk6OTU9ODc1Nz4=&amp;q=204945ZfY=j&Bon=r&amp;s=C658200XyR7c3p1XzZ7cl8me3V4dnZ3enZzdXF2dnR0cnZzenVfKntP=&amp;l=" border="0">

<img width="300" class="quo_il" onload="" alt="" src="http://spa.dictionary.com/proxy?p=nwVZaNNkoBJ5&amp;r=6680PH5OWlpWWX5zc1pWSXJNVVVNUktZX1RKT0lHWk9VVHJJVVNzWU9TTUdKc3d6e3V2dnx6e3V9eHt2dnt6dHs=&amp;q=201777x=1&qHe=XL&amp;s=C123990Kk1GPkVAKl9GPSpPRkBEPkRERUFDQz9EQUI_Qz1DQj0qU0Z0=&amp;h=" border="0">

<img width="300" height="250" class="quo_il" alt="" src="http://spa.dictionary.com/proxy?p=4JLVA2PoDCF9&amp;r=6490fms7R0dDRmtgYEdDNl86QkI6PzhGTEE3PDY0RzxCQV82QkBgRjxAOjQ3YGJiZ2lmaWZpZGJqZGpiZ2pkYWQ=&amp;q=205075or=jbk&K8=LWZ&amp;s=C175080L1JLQ0pFL2RLQi9US0RCREZJR0VFREpHR0pESUhJRC9YS3w==&amp;k=" border="0">

<img width="300" class="quo_il" onload="" alt="" src="http://spa.dictionary.com/proxy?p=PxPTCHjfjqJn&amp;r=6690VSFPW1tXWiF0dFtXSnNOVlZOU0xaYFVLUEpIW1BWVXNKVlR0WlBUTkhLdHt4eXh9fXl1dXl6fH5-dn15fHg=&amp;q=206798E=f&LKt=Oz&amp;s=C516320UXRtZWxnUShtZFF2bWpsbGppZWZma2hrZGdqbGhoamNRem1O=&amp;y=" border="0" KasperskyLab_AntiBanner="on">

<img width="728" class="quo_il" onload="" alt="" src="http://spa.dictionary.com/proxy?p=sSQTIvqxBbGL&amp;r=6820WVkuXGhoZGcuIyNoZFciW2NjW2BZZ21iWF1XVWhdY2IiV2NhI2ddYVtVWCMqJCUpJyUnLCUpJCgkJikpKCcp&amp;q=206881LX=A>d&AR=Jp&amp;s=C788460bDEqIikkbEMqIWwzKiEiKSYhJSgjJ34kJSYmIyEoJiNsNype=&amp;n=" border="0">

I don't know if this helps or just adds to the confusion...

I do see in the IE11 inspect elements this "spa.dictionary.com/proxy?" - could it be a proxy being used here that AG can't block ads from when the "link" changes constantly? [to get the IE11 inspect elements - I disabled AG and exited it as well].
Thanks. :D
Gass
 
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I was wrong, by the way, it isn't just when I restart. I left the computer on and today, it's not blocking the side columns. I even tried disabling AG, refreshing Facebook, re-enabling AG and then refreshing again and that doesn't work either. The only thing that does is un-checking and re-checking the rule boxes. I'm not changing anything and I've disabled all security programs that could in any way conflict.
This is weird indeed. So it seems that AG starts ignoring user filter rules after some time?

What if we do it differently? Move these rules to a text file and install it as a custom filter.
 

Gass

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What if we do it differently? Move these rules to a text file and install it as a custom filter.
Move these rules to a text file
Opening up AG UI and under AD Blocker then clicking on the User Filter "EDIT" - then (at the bottom) of the opened page using
the "GEAR" symbol and in it's menu "Export Rules" - does give one a txt file of all the rules in the User Filter aspect.
*If they are only of the said site, if not look for that site called out in the list of all rules exported in this txt file.

But, how to then [install them as a custom filter] - you got a link explaining this action, and would it be done based on only per
each rule?
Or can it be done once as a custom filter for that site in general catching all rules of that site from the exported txt file?
I'm willing to try if I can understand...

I think I've read something about embedded ads are missed, cause their structured as a part of the page and not loaded from a network source - per say.
So this is why the Adguard Assistant "Block Element" offers it's function and useful - right?

Then what about the proxy showing of my information show-mentioned earlier, if this is a defense stance that these sites can use to defeat any blocking of the shown ads?

Then one last thought - if AG shows the warning of "You have to many filters", enabled (by only one in my case) to the trigger of this warning, how does this affect the actions of AG? - or is it only affecting the browsing (slowing the page loading) as called out in the warning given.
Specially of does it tax AG to much and a cause of it to miss some/all ads on certain websites?

If you would care to answer any points I've made here, would help me in my understanding a little more.
Thanks,
Gass
 
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Gass

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I even tried disabling AG, refreshing Facebook, re-enabling AG and then refreshing again and that doesn't work either. The only thing that does is un-checking and re-checking the rule boxes. I'm not changing anything and I've disabled all security programs that could in any way conflict.
Hi Semetery, just by what you've said - I'm understanding that you do have Adguard installed, if this is right and not just the browser extension of Adguard?
For clarity to others here is why I've asked, and also could you tell us what browser your using - and yes I do know that the installed
version of Adguard does cover most all popular browsers. I don't see that you've mentioned the kind of browser(s) that is being used by you in your comments.
You do also say the "latest beta" - but of which software are you in a meaning of this for - Adguard?
If you would be so kind to clarify these points of interests and if you have experienced the same from trying different browsers, or even if this is related to that of a virtual OS system running.
Please don't see this as anything other than trying to understand and knowledge to the thread and topic (thank you).

There seems to be addition uses (benefits) of the Adguard browser extension, if used in combo with the installed version of Adguard
in some cases with browsers other than (IE) as there no extension for it. As I'm recalling reading somewhere that the browser extension does more specific things than the AG Assistant can do in addressing some things. Sorry for not being more informed in
this as I do use IE11 and didn't take more of an interest what I've read or can point you to this info. - maybe others can chime-in and
be helpful to you in this. I'm not sure in the case of Win. 10 and Edge browser being used.
See this https://forum.adguard.com/index.php?threads/adguard-assistant-enhancements.11816/
posts #2 and #4, maybe I miss understood as I didn't experiment with it.

As I don't do Facebook and don't have access to login there to where I could be of help in confirming your experiences there , I was wondering if you could check out the http://www.dictionary.com site and enter a word and click on search, seeing it's rendered definition and scroll down the page some and then see if ads are shown to you as well on this site.

Confirming what I've witnessed and expressed here. The ads seem to be triggered in my case by scrolling down the page, the landing page of the site shows me no ads by the way and as I've said a word search and then the following definition page shows ads to me by scrolling down it or waiting a little time (at top) and then the ads get loaded on the page, as the websites defensive measure to being blocked by Adguard - or any ad blocker program/extension.

@avatar
1. I don't claim to know how AG works but, understanding it works by cleaning up the related ads by limiting their initial loading on/with a webpage - maybe AG can do a [re-polling, recapitulate a site]-what ever would be the correct term to use, of a site after a certain time period or in clicking on a link on the site or the site loading yet another page in (the case of word definitions).

2. So maybe in the above instances Adguard blocking rules can be reactivated - if this is not possible for some reason, then a manual usage option maybe under the system tray icon for Adguard - to recheck a current site of the browser window and block any new ads found. Then to work from this point on somewhat as a block element and reloading the window with ads gone.

3. I have noticed when a word definition page does load it freezes (so the ads are being loaded from somewhere) till the ads are loaded up on it, any scrolling or functioning of the window is not possible by a visitor.
So this seems to counter AG in it's blocking abilities and render the ads up beyond AG control of them. Thus something like in the above #1 and #2 could - should be considered by Adguard.

4. I'm just making suggestions to keep AG active for a longer period of time while on a site, and/or reactivate itself - if say a proxy address is used to show these ads or a new page of a site loads with ads contained or being loaded up on them after an delayed amount of time.
[on load = anonymous function
n.onreadystagechange = i.loadAsyncScript]
In between the [ ] is something I've noticed in "inspect element" by entering "<ads" into the search box - way over my understanding level.

5. I'm sure this is not an internet wide happing now but, what if more sites start doing this as a means to defeat all ad blockers - will Adguard be prepared?

Thank you,
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But, how to then [install them as a custom filter] - you got a link explaining this action, and would it be done based on only per
each rule?
It is easy: go to settings -> ad blocker -> add filter -> add filter by URL and then browse for a text file with filters you'd like to add.
 

Gass

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It is easy: go to settings -> ad blocker -> add filter -> add filter by URL and then browse for a text file with filters you'd like to add.
I'd like to offer a complete reply and keeping it as short as possible. So I have revised the post #10 of this thread in the @avatar and reference it here to keep from supplying the same info. in this post. :)

@ This method I quoted of yours worked beautifully in adding the txt file filtering rules to AG.
Note: 1st- to me it seems that you must keep the txt file rules in their location for AG to continue finding them and applying, and not discard them by any means of any system cleaners. Is this right thinking as it just seems logical?

2nd- would it be possible to assign a different file extension other than txt in 1st- above mention of sys cleaners case, and if not possible of a different file extension, then to move this txt filtering rules file to the install directory of Adguard, (possibly a folder AG would implement there for such filtering rules upon being installed on a system the first time or added in that of an updated AG version), as the AG browse feature now when adding the txt file filtering rules contained on a system would find it wherever you point it to - and being safer there in the AG install directory to be omitted in the case of sys cleaners by a user or whitelist of them of what and where to clean when their sys cleaners runs.

@ Not so beautiful the website http://www.dictionary.com still shows the ads to me (see SPOILER-Images) after using the method of adding the text file and install it as a custom filter. This is one tough site to conquer of the ads as the Missed Ads Teams has helped me but the ads returned in a short time of their help. This currently used method didn't faze or slow down the ads being loaded to the page as I indicated in post #10 of this thread in the @avatar #3 call out.

So to me this is something new in countering AdBlockers by websites and maybe of the means I described post #10 of this thread in the @avatar #4 call out of a proxy being use - why else would the page freeze (#3 description) while loading up the ads on the site and then not be blocked by AG.

I just don't know how to help AG find out and then for it to devote the time and resources in finding out but, if AG could direct me in some methods to use in being helpful to it - I'm willing to offer my time to find out this information. Would any of these help.
1. inspect elements of a browser (IE11) - what to look for?
2. whois for the site - what information is needed?
3. your suggestion on what to do - PM me if you want.

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PS: You'll see in the TOS & PP - there are more than one site here and it's more of a collective of Dictionary, Reference, Thesaurus and sub-domains that will be defeated of showing ads to a visitor if it's possible. The only one I'm using is the one listed in my posts of earlier. Thanks...

Thank you Avatar and Adguard Team :D
Gass :)
 
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Semetery

New Member
I just tried adding it as a text file and it still isn't working. Sure enough, though, once I disabled and then re-enabled it, it worked fine for a bit. ??? I wish I had a log or something of what's happening. I checked the filtering log in the AG app and it's not showing the columns blocked even when they are after disabling and re-enabling. I literally have no idea how to figure out what's the cause of it.
 

Gass

Member
I just tried adding it as a text file and it still isn't working. Sure enough, though, once I disabled and then re-enabled it, it worked fine for a bit. ??? I wish I had a log or something of what's happening. I checked the filtering log in the AG app and it's not showing the columns blocked even when they are after disabling and re-enabling. I literally have no idea how to figure out what's the cause of it.
I had same luck with my site and going the route Avatar suggested.
Would BE NICE IF SOMEONE else could replicate this and advise you what to do - maybe you could PM Boo Berry for advice and to try replicating this problem, of course he's going to want to know most everything I called out in post #2 above as well as your browser.
https://forum.adguard.com/index.php?members/boo-berry.1906/

Then at least he could report it on GitHub from what he's found out in Adguard for Windows open bug tracker to the devteam there.
Gass
 
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Gass

Member
I've been experimenting with another Browser (Slimjet) and the ads on my site I'm having troubles with are GONE now with this browser, only thing some other functions of the site are not working with the ads being gone. I'm new to this mentioned browser so I only am using it on this troubling site. Maybe someone from Adguard can try this browser and see just how the ads are being blocked and maybe use something similar for AG...
Gass :D
 

Semetery

New Member
I use Slimjet, have for a long while now and I'm still seeing the FB sidebars that I've blocked. I have no idea why I can't get them gone!
 

Gass

Member
I use Slimjet, have for a long while now and I'm still seeing the FB sidebars that I've blocked. I have no idea why I can't get them gone!
Hey how are you,
Have you tried over on the Missed Ads section https://forum.adguard.com/index.php?forums/missed-ads.67/ reporting this?
There are Missed Ads submission rules to follow there https://forum.adguard.com/index.php?threads/missed-ads-submission-rules.1879/ .
Plus it seems off that others here aren't reporting same with Facebook ads?
My site I could understand about but not Facebook as it has more daily hits...
You might try over at the links I've given and see what comes.
Gass :)
 

Semetery

New Member
I'm still having the issue. I just checked it again, I have no idea what the problem is. If I disable and then enable User Filters, works fine, otherwise, nothing.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, I just was curious if something new has changed that might help?
 

avatar

Administrator
Staff member
Administrator
I'm still having the issue. I just checked it again, I have no idea what the problem is. If I disable and then enable User Filters, works fine, otherwise, nothing.
Let's try the other way then. Create a text file with these rules and add it as a customer filter. Let's see if there's any change in this case.
 

Gass

Member
Top left of page do a search for Facebook and see if someone else has like problems.
You know I had an email today from AG that you spoke of making a video but it must not of been here as I don't see it?? strange!

I did see this maybe some ideals will spring up- https://forum.adguard.com/index.php?threads/adguard-is-not-blocking-side-facebook-add-even-with-ssl-on.18633/

In that AG email sent to me where you Semetery said you could see the logs of what was blocks but not the items that always show/load
question I thinking is if you could add them to a text file and block that way if not tried yet too.

I don't think your crazy and I feel your pain and wished facebook was as you'd like for it to be.

Good luck and remember the search to see what others problem and fix has been done :)
Gass :D
 
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